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plus a late night search of the fbi of paula broadwell's home in charlotte. all of this as we face incredibly wide swinging weather patterns that seem to defy anything that we've seen before. >> announcer: this is "early today" for tuesday, november 13th, 2012. >>> good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. breaking news overnight in the scandal that brought down cia director david petraeus. this morning defense secretary leon panetta announced the man who succeeded david petraeus is under investigation himself. general john allen, the top u.s. and nato commander in afghan stand is accused of, quote, inappropriate communications with jill kelly. she started the investigation. a senior official traveling with allen says his communications with kelly are under review. the official says general allen disputes engaging in any wrongdoing in the matter. the fbi referred the matter to the department of defense for investigation on sunday. early this morning secretary panetta directed that the defense department inspector general investigate. meanwhile, last night fbi a
plus a late night search of the fbi of paula broadwell's home in charlotte. all of this as we face incredibly wide swinging weather patterns that seem to defy anything that we've seen before. >> announcer: this is "early today" for tuesday, november 13th, 2012. >>> good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. breaking news overnight in the scandal that brought down cia director david petraeus. this morning defense secretary leon panetta announced the man who succeeded david...
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what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're investigating. now, there's a policy question here, obviously, about whether members of the intelligence committee should have been informed. they say there's a potential national security implications. the fbi and the justice department say they determined early on there weren't national security implications, that this was, at its core, not a crime, an affair. and the other thing about this is, that the fbi is sensitive to its own history, about a time when j. edgar hoover shepherded the peccadillos of official washington and parceled these th
what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're...
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>> late last night the fbi drops by the home of paula
>> late last night the fbi drops by the home of paula
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plus a late-night search by the fbi of paula broadwell's home in charlotte. all of this as we face wide-swinging weather patterns that seem to defy anything we've seen before. breaking new s overnight in the scandal that brought down general petraeus. now the man who oversaw general petraeus in the afghanistan war is under investigation himself. general john allen is accused of "inappropriate communications" with jill kelley, the florida woman whose complaints of e-mail harassment started the initial investigation. a senior defense official traveling with panetta says 20,000 to 30,000 pages of epail and other documents from general allen's communications with kelley are under review. the official says general allen disputes engaging in any wrong doing in the matter. the fbi referred the matter to the department of defense for investigation on sunday. early this morning secretary panetta directed that the defense department's inspector general investigate. last night fbi agents went to the home of biographer paula broadwell, the woman government officials say
plus a late-night search by the fbi of paula broadwell's home in charlotte. all of this as we face wide-swinging weather patterns that seem to defy anything we've seen before. breaking new s overnight in the scandal that brought down general petraeus. now the man who oversaw general petraeus in the afghanistan war is under investigation himself. general john allen is accused of "inappropriate communications" with jill kelley, the florida woman whose complaints of e-mail harassment...
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see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a predicate and is this a priority. that's not clear until you trace this for awhile and get to petraeus, and the question i'm raising is why, what was the predicate, why did they pursue it. >> once it gets to petraeus, tom, and i want your expertise here, what would happen? because i would imagine as soon as they realized david petraeus is involved, there must be a whole series of hoops they have to jump through or markers they have to hit. >> once they identified paula broadwell as the sender of the messages to kelley, then they subpoena the rest of her records and they see an exchange of anony
see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a...
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i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we supposed to make light of the fact that two republican congressmen were apparently read in on this investigation by the fbi ahead of the white house and ahead of it going through more official channels. if this weren't the krerkt director of the cia this would not be an important story at all. but because each new detail takes the story in a new direction and every civilian involved in the case has hired high profile lawyers and because there's so many unanswered questions, this story rivals anything else going on in the country right now. the reporte
i mean, do you call the fbi if you get a creepy e e-mail? if i called the fbi every time, they would need to set up a bureau here at 30 rock. here's another question. in spite of the conspiracy theories this was designed to undercut general petraeus before he testified on thursday about benghazi, this was a democratic plot to protect the president from hard questions and now even after the election. in light of those conspiracy theories which are being portrayed as fact on the right, how are we...
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>> well, it is and fbi investigation, that is continuing. i read both the "post" and the times this morning and it is pretty well laid out, i think. i hate to discuss it, except to say there are a number of things that one has to consider, the first of which was there any kind of national security breach. to date, there was not. and, the fbi has briefed me, now, i actually wish we had been briefed a little bit earlier. so that the full intelligence committee, one of the things i've tried to do, chris, is bring both sides together. so, my vice chairman saxby chambliss and i share material and work together and that is a very important concept. with neither of us knowing ahead of time, all of this, obviously, comes as a big shock. and we are very much able to keep things in a classified setting, at least if you know you can begin to think and then to plan and, of course we have not had that opportunity. we begin our hearings on thursday. this is an inquiry, it's not a single hearing. there will be many different aspects of it. and, you know, o
>> well, it is and fbi investigation, that is continuing. i read both the "post" and the times this morning and it is pretty well laid out, i think. i hate to discuss it, except to say there are a number of things that one has to consider, the first of which was there any kind of national security breach. to date, there was not. and, the fbi has briefed me, now, i actually wish we had been briefed a little bit earlier. so that the full intelligence committee, one of the things...
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joining us now is a former fbi supervisor agent. he is author of a book that you see on your screen there. he was on the ground after the uss cole attack. now you are coming in as a supervising agent. investigating what happened. what is the malaria -- what similarities and differences are there with uss cole and after benghazi? >> with uss cole we lost 17 sailors. with benghazi, it is difficult to find a legitimate partner in benghazi. in yemen we had the difficulty, too. but i think that we were able to identify those who were involved and were able to interrogate them and get instructions from them. we were able to link investigation for the terrorist attack. we were able to identify the suicide bombers. one thing i know about the fbi's that they are brilliant and putting the pieces of the investigation together. i am sure we will be able to know exactly what happened. and the people that were involved. jenna: at times have changed since the attack at the uss cole and what happened in benghazi. have you read about the interrogati
joining us now is a former fbi supervisor agent. he is author of a book that you see on your screen there. he was on the ground after the uss cole attack. now you are coming in as a supervising agent. investigating what happened. what is the malaria -- what similarities and differences are there with uss cole and after benghazi? >> with uss cole we lost 17 sailors. with benghazi, it is difficult to find a legitimate partner in benghazi. in yemen we had the difficulty, too. but i think...
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willinger says that's enough for the fbi to take it further. the fbi hasn't commented furtherer. an official says it was appropriate to investigate. >> does the fbi routinely investigate these harassing e-mails? >> the fbi is devoting more time these days to investigating cyber harassment cases, cyber stalking cases. he says they don't go after one on one cases that are less threatening, mildly threatening, which this appears to be. he says clearly there's something more here. he believes information about comings and goings that paula broadwell sent sparked the investigation and he said there were grounds to do that. >> brian, thanks very much. >>> if a top general has an affair, is it a crime under military law? the answer might be yes. is it time for a refresh you er course from the top down? more in the "the situation room." ♪ [ gordon ] for some this line is a convenience. how you doing today? i'm good thanks. how are you? i'm good. [ gordon ] but for others, it's all they can afford. every day nearly nine million older americans don't have enough to eat. anything else? no
willinger says that's enough for the fbi to take it further. the fbi hasn't commented furtherer. an official says it was appropriate to investigate. >> does the fbi routinely investigate these harassing e-mails? >> the fbi is devoting more time these days to investigating cyber harassment cases, cyber stalking cases. he says they don't go after one on one cases that are less threatening, mildly threatening, which this appears to be. he says clearly there's something more here. he...
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what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting criminal investigations to the white house and others actually stem way back to the watergate scandal. an investigation back then uncovered abuses and mistakes and the justice department has since made changes. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] dayquil doesn't treat that. huh? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief to all your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! reminds me of our network before cdw virtualized it. how
what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting...
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number two, we're talking about professionalism of the fbi. professional men and women who risk their lives every day to keep us safe and according to the attorney general, and i have no information that would contradict this, they gave the information at the appropriate moment in the investigation. look, the fbi is not supposed to disclose information, unless they believe there is a national security threat. i have no reason to believe they didn't do it until the appropriate moment. >> representative, do you agree with that? especially given that it was om this week that the fbi went to ms. broadwell's home, and removed boxes of information, some of which is classified? >> no, i would totally disagree. general petraeus was the head of the cia. he wasn't running the fish and wildlife department. there is a duty under the law to inform the ranking and chairman of house and senate intelligence. that is to deal with every investigation. and with national security be compromised? perhaps it would. i think that should go to the level of the preside
number two, we're talking about professionalism of the fbi. professional men and women who risk their lives every day to keep us safe and according to the attorney general, and i have no information that would contradict this, they gave the information at the appropriate moment in the investigation. look, the fbi is not supposed to disclose information, unless they believe there is a national security threat. i have no reason to believe they didn't do it until the appropriate moment. >>...
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>> i would prefer you to the fbi. they have -- as i understand it protocols in place for when they notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. and, you know, it is simply a fact that the white house was not aware of the situation regarding general petraeus until wednesday, and the situation regarding general allen until friday. so, you know, the fbi is the place to go in terms of an explanation of the protocols they follow. but i understand that that is the answer that they will give, that there are protocols they follow, that govern how they inform the various branches of government of these kinds of investigations. >> do you understand how people would think this is utterly bizarre, i mean the day after the election, and the anger you're hearing on capitol hill that they didn't know this was going on, at least the timing, at least the appearance. >> look, all i can tell you is when the white house was informed. and i would let the relevant members of congress explain to you how and when they wer
>> i would prefer you to the fbi. they have -- as i understand it protocols in place for when they notify the legislative and executive branches of investigations. and, you know, it is simply a fact that the white house was not aware of the situation regarding general petraeus until wednesday, and the situation regarding general allen until friday. so, you know, the fbi is the place to go in terms of an explanation of the protocols they follow. but i understand that that is the answer...
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he was tipped off by an fbi employee a couple weeks ago. he followed up with the fbi to make sure the investigation was ongoing. we're going to hear a lot more about this during the course of the week. remember initially general david petraeus himself was supposed to testify about the benghazi attack in front of a couple of committees in congress, closed-door meetings. now he will not be there, this guy will. this is the michael more rel, acting director of the see ia. back to you guys. martha: that raises so many questions. we'll talk about them this morning. why would general petraeus not testify to an event he was privy to and on his watch? we'll ask michael hayden, the former cia director coming up. we'll talk to kt mcfarland about all this. doug, thank you lawmakers are wonder why they were never informed. senator diian feinstein is asking about the questions that came up. >> i informed my vice chairman and i talked to the director device. this is very hard stuff. >> and are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before
he was tipped off by an fbi employee a couple weeks ago. he followed up with the fbi to make sure the investigation was ongoing. we're going to hear a lot more about this during the course of the week. remember initially general david petraeus himself was supposed to testify about the benghazi attack in front of a couple of committees in congress, closed-door meetings. now he will not be there, this guy will. this is the michael more rel, acting director of the see ia. back to you guys. martha:...
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the other store is when the fbi knew and the president knew. the time line they have is the president was informed after the election and thursday and that general clapper, the director of national intelligence, found out in a phone call on election day and told the white house on the day after the election. the fbi had been investigating for at least wreaks. >> months. >> i don't know if we are going to learn that's not true. we can deal with the questions. she it said he thought it was a terrorist attack. he went into closed meetings saying it was a video. perhaps he was doing it to protect the cia. i believe is he going to testify on capitol hill compelled by his own sense of duty or a subpoena. i think we are going to hear from him. the time of the election and sex scandal are not really important as much as what happened on the ground in benghazi, was there some kind of coverup to protect the cia and why would mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee and dianne feinstein chairman on the senate side not be informed of an on
the other store is when the fbi knew and the president knew. the time line they have is the president was informed after the election and thursday and that general clapper, the director of national intelligence, found out in a phone call on election day and told the white house on the day after the election. the fbi had been investigating for at least wreaks. >> months. >> i don't know if we are going to learn that's not true. we can deal with the questions. she it said he thought...
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the fbi's investigating this. a woman sends some -- first of all, tell us the nature of these e-mails that would prompt an fbi investigation. >> well, here's the situation. the woman, whom we have confirmed was jill kelley who was a married woman in tampa who did some social and wounded warrior work with fort macdill. she complained to a friend of hers in the fbi. that's how this got launched. she knew very well, a close friend who was an fbi agent and said she was getting these anonymous e-mails, more than a dozen e-mails, on two separate accounts. and very confused because she didn't know who they were from, and they were threatening. >> the nature of these e-mails, andrea, did the fbi have any reason to believe that this woman's life was in danger or that perhaps violence might come to her? >> they were -- this agent in tampa referred it to his colleagues at the fbi. so it started as a local or regional fbi investigation in tampa. completely unrelated to david petraeus. the woman did not know that paula broadwe
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>>guest: the fbi works for the justice department and the attorney general. their chain of command would be to take it to the attorney -- the hoover years stopped it. that is what is upsetting in the hoover years with one intelligence agency investigating another and not telling anyone else. >>neil: what do we make leaving aside the draw difficult -- the tawdry details, what do you make of the agency investigating this other agency? >>guest: they should have taken it up the chain of command and saying we don't want to be have thing this. we know that the president didn't know, and the format that key members of congress were not informs so, that is the problem, why did it just stop withholder. and the political angle was it withheld to use it as leverage over general petraeus after september 11th? did general petraeus know he was being investigated? >>neil: how would that affect the october trip? >>guest: who is the guy who knows the most about terrorism and what happened in benghazi, probably david petraeus, the chief al qaeda warrior and fighter for iraq, a
>>guest: the fbi works for the justice department and the attorney general. their chain of command would be to take it to the attorney -- the hoover years stopped it. that is what is upsetting in the hoover years with one intelligence agency investigating another and not telling anyone else. >>neil: what do we make leaving aside the draw difficult -- the tawdry details, what do you make of the agency investigating this other agency? >>guest: they should have taken it up the...
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the fbi began by investigating whether those e-mails constituted harassment. officials told nbc news. then the bureau subsequently found that petraeus' biographer, paula broadwell, was sending those anonymous e-mails that law enforcement officials had dealt with. the investigation also determined she was having an affair with petraeus. the fbi then used that information from the investigation to uncover more details and obtain a warrant to surveil broadwell's e-mail, according to the "wall street journal." so, in september, officials say the fbi interviewed broadwell, who then admitted the affair. investigators also convinced her to voluntarily surrender her computer, which was found to contain unauthorized classified information. according to officials, on the week of october 28th, the fbi then interviewed general petraeus, who reportedly admitted the affair at the time, but denied providing any classified information to broadwell. then two members of congress say they received a tip about the same investigation in october which was raised with the fbi. offic
the fbi began by investigating whether those e-mails constituted harassment. officials told nbc news. then the bureau subsequently found that petraeus' biographer, paula broadwell, was sending those anonymous e-mails that law enforcement officials had dealt with. the investigation also determined she was having an affair with petraeus. the fbi then used that information from the investigation to uncover more details and obtain a warrant to surveil broadwell's e-mail, according to the "wall...
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he notified the house major leader, eric canter, who passed it along to the fbi director mueller. the white house says that president obama didn't find out about the affair until thursday that, means congressman rikert and kantor knew, the investigate the fbi was investigating the director of the cia before the president did. >> thank you very much. the president has release aid timeline from the pen ben attacks, it doesn't match up with the cia version. the pentagon says it started at 9:42 a.m. in libya. but the cia says it started at 9:40. and leon panet taand joint chiefs of staff chairman, general martin dempsey were not notified until almost an hour after it began. secretary panetta did not give orders for backup until 5 hours later. read more about this and the coverage of the story on fox news dot-com. she has been breaking news all along. will the new revelations help congress figure out who is to blame for the attack and the lack of response? joining us, two members of the house oversight committee. gentlemen, welcome to you both. >> thank you. good to be here. >> hanks.
he notified the house major leader, eric canter, who passed it along to the fbi director mueller. the white house says that president obama didn't find out about the affair until thursday that, means congressman rikert and kantor knew, the investigate the fbi was investigating the director of the cia before the president did. >> thank you very much. the president has release aid timeline from the pen ben attacks, it doesn't match up with the cia version. the pentagon says it started at...
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testify before the house intelligence committee and it really begs the question he of what does the fbi know and when did they know it. how long did they sit on that information? i recall that general petraeus briefed the senate about what happened in benghazi. did he have this looming over his head? >> general petraeus, who has been married to his wife holly since 1974, called his extramarital affair, quote, unacceptable and said it showed quote, extremely poor judgment. president obama praised the retired four-star army general saying he had quote, provided extraordinary service to the united states for decades. and the key democrat in the senate, diane feinstein chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee lamented the loss of petraeus to the cia writing in a statement, quote, this is an enormous loss for our intelligence community and our country of the. i wish president obama had not accepted this resignation, but i understand and respect the decision. cia deputy director michael morelle will head the cia now until the president decides on another director. kelly and jamie. >> k
testify before the house intelligence committee and it really begs the question he of what does the fbi know and when did they know it. how long did they sit on that information? i recall that general petraeus briefed the senate about what happened in benghazi. did he have this looming over his head? >> general petraeus, who has been married to his wife holly since 1974, called his extramarital affair, quote, unacceptable and said it showed quote, extremely poor judgment. president obama...